|
Post by Rose on Apr 17, 2009 10:41:05 GMT -5
It makes sense what Jake said. But if the brain held a gateway to the mind then wouldn't that separate it. One philosopher believed that there is a gland that is the gateway to the mind.
|
|
|
Post by Jeiku on Apr 17, 2009 18:45:05 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly. -_- Jaku, I'd love it if you put a bullet through my head so I could know, but like you said, that's no guarantee and we still wouldn't know for sure, but is that an excuse to not to try to know? What we see as changes on the brain or its existence (physical health) or nonexistence (physical damage or decay into not being a brain) may not have any effect on consciousness itself in terms of existing or not, but they may hamper it and may have some effect on the senses and on the ability of consciousness to express and know itself on a human scale. If our brains were designed in a different way, the world around us would be wholly different. There's no way to be sure if we ever fully lose consciousness or self awareness. I've heard somewhere that we always dream because without entering the REM state for a long time our bodies cannot function, but most of the time we can't even remember dreams we've had. People who wake up from comas usually remember things and knew what was happening around them, but just couldn't do anything at all. Sometimes we forget things to protect ourselves. Perhaps its safe to say that the the mind sometimes can't express itself in a damaged body or the maybe the body can live without any consciousness, but in a case like that it would no longer be a human. We can keep bodies alive via machines, but it doesn't always mean that they are still human beings and not just living tissue. How do we get mind from matter? How do we get awareness out of matter and energy, the seeming measurable finite, when the system used to define them comes from or is mind alone? If the skyscraper is here and if utterly no one or nothing knew about it, then there can't be a skyscraper. Whatever created it couldn't have created it because there's no one or nothing to be aware of it or make it, aka the skyscraper doesn't exist. If it's there by chance, how can the system of chance be there by chance? And even so, even chance is based on cause and effect, because if a skyscraper is there by chance or not, information about the skyscraper at one point should also somehow influence the state of the skyscraper at another point in time, and if this is true then the skyscraper couldn't have been there forever, but if it wasn't there forever someone had to design and build it. If there is no form of awareness, there could be no thing to build it and therefore the thing that we know as a skyscraper could not exist. The skyscraper does exist; clearly something built it, or enabled us to make us think we built it. The skyscraper exists because we think it exists because we think we sense it; the very act of thinking that it exists confirms it, but the real question now is to what degree it exists. Mind can be seen as the synecdochical representation of what we call god. d'aww I was just having fun richie and I never said that we shouldn't discuss whether mind and matter are separate or not. I was stating the reasoning as to why I myself am opinionless on the matter. also walls of red text on a yellow background make me sad
|
|
Ebo
über Farkan
Posts: 253
|
Post by Ebo on Apr 17, 2009 21:56:15 GMT -5
You're never on aim.
|
|
|
Post by Jeiku on Apr 17, 2009 22:33:33 GMT -5
wtf D< don't go off topic..unless I started it..and dammit I'll get on AIM more often >_>
anyway...okay um...ah fuck it I can't think right now
|
|
|
Post by Hades. on Apr 18, 2009 0:34:00 GMT -5
This subject just brings up more subtopics. Not referring the ones that are off-topic, by the way.
|
|
Ebo
über Farkan
Posts: 253
|
Post by Ebo on Apr 18, 2009 15:48:45 GMT -5
Pardon me, I was being a fag.
rabble rabble rabble rabble
|
|