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Post by Ragaar31 on Oct 9, 2010 17:41:21 GMT -5
  Why don't we have this!? It pisses me off so much. For those of you that don't know what this is, here is a link. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_votingBasically you put, in order of preference, the people you want to vote for. And if the person you put in the number one slot pretty much loses. Then your secondary vote kicks in. That way you don't feel like you're throwing your vote away when you vote for someone like Ron Paul. This is a much better system, and we should be using it. |
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Post by Master Miek on Oct 9, 2010 17:45:25 GMT -5
It does sound like a nice system that would make third parties more important, and I think America needs that.
However, how do you decide when the secondary vote kicks in? Do you vote for both if your primary loses? By how many percentage points must your primary candidate lose for your secondary vote to kick in? These questions stand for the system, but if they are answered properly, the system has much promise.
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Post by Ragaar31 on Oct 9, 2010 17:49:45 GMT -5
I think it's just as long as your primary loses in the long run. Like he got all these votes, lets say(I'm not using realistic numbers) 2000 votes, but lost by 500. Then your secondary would kick in and they would tally those votes.
It seems simple to me. Your first guy loses. Let's see if my second guy can win.
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Post by Jeiku on Oct 9, 2010 20:56:07 GMT -5
This sounds like a nice system..certainly would give dem third party candidates a better chance.
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Post by Master Miek on Oct 10, 2010 3:49:05 GMT -5
I just think that if your primary candidate loses very narrowly, then your second choice should not go into effect. That helps the system make more sense to me. If your primary gets blown out, then yes indeed, secondary comes into effect.
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Post by Ragaar31 on Oct 10, 2010 12:22:50 GMT -5
Why would that make a difference?
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Post by Master Miek on Oct 10, 2010 13:55:49 GMT -5
Well if it is a narrow loss, it seems kind of cheap to switch the vote to secondary. If that primary candidate stuck it out to the very end, that is your vote. I dunno, I think there should be a cut-off point to when your secondary vote would come into effect. That's just me though.
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Post by Rumasai on Oct 11, 2010 15:14:50 GMT -5
I actually see the way Mike is looking at this, and I agree with him. Where the preferential voting system is nice, I also believe that it would be unfair to other candidates in the race if a guy got really far, and tripped at the finish line, giving the others more votes at the end. I can't see that extra boost as fair because of how much it took to get the guy they wanted as far as he did. That, and most people who voted for the guy probably have similar political insights, so that many votes going to one guy right at the end could easily make his campaign successful. It's much less of a big deal if it happens really early, or like Mike said, a total blowout.
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Post by Jeiku on Oct 11, 2010 17:34:05 GMT -5
Then give each person two votes (no they can't vote the same person twice). Count all the votes, whoever wins is president. Neither of your candidates win? Well you fucked up, better luck next time. This probably doesn't sound as smart as it did in my head |
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Post by Master Miek on Oct 11, 2010 18:45:28 GMT -5
Well that's just two votes, not preferential voting at all, lol.
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Post by Jeiku on Oct 11, 2010 20:19:25 GMT -5
Well you guys were havin problems with preferential voting, so I just tossed in my totally well thought out alternative.
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Post by Master Miek on Oct 11, 2010 21:16:50 GMT -5
Eh, it is another possibility...heck, let's do the Newgrounds portal system where the more you vote, the more weight your vote gets, and the more it counts. That was TOTALLY a joke. |
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Post by Ragaar31 on Oct 11, 2010 21:23:16 GMT -5
But the whole point of the system is so that you feel your vote is not being thrown away. If the person you voted for loses, your nest vote goes through. Its still fair because not everyone is going to have the same secondary vote.
And even if they somehow did, I still believe it would be fair as the winner would still be the peoples choice.
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Post by Master Miek on Oct 11, 2010 23:49:52 GMT -5
I just think it would be cheesing it if your primary vote loses in a close one. Best not to trade opinions on that naymore though, because we have clearly stalemated on that specific condition of the system.
I would be in favor of a preferential voting system, though. I do want to see third parties play a bigger role.
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